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, too. you know what i am thankful for this thanksgiving? i am thankful elections, they have consequences. >> the time for bickering is over. the time for games has passed. now is the time to deliver on health care. >> have you read the bill? hell, no, you haven't. >> the supreme court has upheld president obama's health care law. >> the health care law. >> the signature achievement of barack obama's presidency. >> now they're trying to drag it into the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> we have a new message from congressman boehner. >> we can't afford it, we can't afford it and we can't afford to leave it in tact. that's not a new message. >> can you say it was done openly? >> that is not a new message. >> they have been defeated three times. >> we had an election. >> the american people have spoken. >> elections have consequences. >> we're not going to change anybody's mind. >> they need to move on. >> we had an election and they lost. >> i want to thank everyone who participated in this election. >> the presidential pardon. >> the winning turkey can thank his stellar
election that year, his senate seat would have become open. so the governor of massachusetts, the republican, mitt romney, would have been able to appoint somebody to fill john kerry's senate seat. the mts legislature totally dominated by democrats was cognizant that the governor would probably pick a republican to fill the seat if kerry got elected president. so the massachusetts state legislature decide d to change the law. they changed the law so that only a special election could fill a vacant seat. until then, the seat would have to be empty. mitt romney tried to veto that new law. but the legislature overrode his veto, thereby stripping mitt romney of his power to choose a replacement. that became a mute point because john kerry didn't win so he stayed on as senator. but then fast forward fife years. 2009. new president barack obama, the country embroiled in a big debate over national health reform. those against it were against it to the point of rage. and those wo who wanted it were excited to be on the cusp of achieving something they had failed to achieve for decade
tonight to be able to report that the election has finally concluded in arizona, where it took them 14 days to count votes and announce the results this year. in the end, it turns out that all three competitive congressional races in that state went to the democrats. but the competitive u.s. senate race for republican jon kyl's old seat, that seat stayed republican. and yes, the county sheriff who did the whole taxpayer-funded stunt about having his cold case posse uncover the fraud of president obama's birth certificate, that sheriff did get re-elected, barely. last time he won by a 13-point landslide. this time he won by much less than that, but did get re-elected. and that public publicity-hungry arizona sheriff is not the only arizona republican elected official who has recently been fixated on the president's birth certificate. the arizona secretary of state this year threatened to keep president obama off the ballot in arizona for this year's election. because, you know, kenya, or whatever. and because that is the record of arizona's secretary of state, the state's current top el
's lead, the winning argument. president obama won the election. he won the debate on fairness and he's winning this fight in washington and now even some republicans admit it. in the election, 65 million americans voted for fairness. they stood with the president who says everyone should pay their fair share, that there's just something fundamentally wrong with the millionaire paying less in tacks than his or her secretary. president obama drove that point home again today demanding that the rich pay more so the burden doesn't fall on the middle class. >> our first job is to make sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up and since we all theoretically agree on that, we should get that done. i know some of this might sound familiar to you because we talked about this a lot during the campaign. this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. this was a major debate in the presidential can campaign and congressional campaigns all across the country. >> that's what this election was all about, americans were with him on election day. and they are still with him now. a newark ton post
6th, the election is over. >> presidential election, your prediction was wrong. >> big time. >> people are open on entitlement reform in a way they haven't been in the past. >> my analysis based on fact, not emotion. >> oh, my -- >> oh, wow. >> things people are saying about the election that are not true, but it makes them feel better to say it anyway. >> we start on a very important day that the world can be thankful for. a cease-fire in the middle east. secretary of state hillary clinton is heading home now after she and her egyptian counterpart announced the deal to end hostilities and greater cooperation between israel and gaza in the near future. >> the united states welcomes the agreement today for a cease-fire in gaza, for it to hold, the rocket attacks must end. a broader calm returned. the people of this region deserve the chance to live free from fear and violence and today's agreement is a step in the right direction that we should build on. >> this news comes after more than a week of violence that claimed 140 palestinian and 5 israeli lives. obviously, this day
the election was all about. john boehner, if he is serious, will have to find out, but he certainly isn't very smart. the congressional budget office estimates, they show that the affordable care act will actually reduce the deficit. it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he call eed obama care the law the land, but also tried to link it to obama care and the budget. >> you had said, next year, that you would repeal the health care vote. that's still your mission? >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. i think there are parts of the health care law that are going to be very difficult to implement. and very expensive. and at a time where we're t
the election two weeks ago, he was all sunshine and smiles. >> i'm the most reasonable, responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over, now it's time to get to work. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. >> i'm reasonable. i'm responsible. obama care's the law of the land. now, there's a guy the president can work with, right? wrong. politico says that boehner's opening offer to the president is to keep the bush tax cuts, cut entitlements, and postpone cuts to the pentagon. in other words, they haven't budged at all. how is that compromise? how is that reasonable? but it gets worse. speaker boehner now says the health care law should go under the knife. boehner says, quote, we can't afford it. we can't afford to leave it in tact. that's why i've been clear that the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation's massive debt challenge. folks, this debate is over. the american people have spoken. mitt romney ran on two big ideas in thi
't quite get readers as excited? >> not as titillating. >> this is what the election was fought over and yet i have the impression that a lot of the country is yawning but really many of the journalists covering the story are oning. >> there's a story about low how the mighty are falling. privacy, security, while covering the sex. >> are you suggesting that the bigger issues are actually a bit of a shall we say figure lea le? there are bigger issues there but the problem is the fiscal cliff is extremely important. it's interesting to me that it's ben bernanke who dubbed it. i would have thought a reporter would have dubbed it. >> as a consumer of newses, when you see stories about the fiscal cliff do you go clicking off to someone else? >> no. i don't. i try. i try my darnest. i pick up the stories and think i'm going to understand it for once. it's a big, big story if you're covering economic on a national stage. i think it is getting covered a lot yochl ku. blame the media if readers are going to be clicking more or turning more to story about petraeus. >> the problem wo budget sto
of these games of chicken and scenarios is that we had an election and it was pretty clear. the democrats won. obama is back in. and one of the clearest issues in that election was that taxes should be raised and raised on the rich. that gives the president even more leverage. i think the president has enormous leverage. if we do go over the cliff in terms of tacks? we go back to the clinton tax rates, which as i remember it, were not so onerous. they certainly were pretty good in terms of the economy. the economy did not suffer. the economy did much better under clinton than bush. i don't think at least on the tax side, going over the cliff is that big of a deal. it's not really a cliff at all as you suggested and if we get major cuts in the military and defense spending, i'm not sure that's a bad idea at all. >> now, joy reid, we all deal with being dumped in different ways. that is the choice grover has made tonight on cnn. let's watch. >> i don't see any movement toward ts republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of
the election about the fiscal cliff. what is at stake here for both sides? what happens if they don't get a deal? >> well, look. i think what happens to both sides, it's not even what happens to both sides, what happens to us which is the collective, right? it's what happens to the country which is 4% of gdp disappears overnight. and that's what this is all about. by the way, it's not just about what happens january 1st or 11:59 the day before january 1st. it's already starting to impact the economy. whether it impacts consumers -- and we'll find out today, by the way, in terms of thanksgiving and what's that meant, whether consumers are coming out or not -- but thoorz the bigger issue that manufacturing has already started to slow down. people are starting to worry. it may end up in the economic numbers already, just the fact that we're having this debate. and then come january 1st, do we go over? what does that mean? is it the fiscal cliff? or does it look like the fiscal bungee cord? that's what some people are calling it. we go over for two weeks and then we snap back and get a deal a
. thank you. >> bret: he is not campaigning for re-election, but president obama is back on the political stump to round up support for his economic plan to get off the fiscal cliff. chief washington correspondent james rosen tells us that has the congressional republicans feeling left out. >> ultimately, the leader is the president of the united states. >> this president in leading the white house and senate democrats in negotiations with the house republicans over how the avoid the so-called fiscal cliff decided for now to forgo further talks with the top lawmakers. task now delegated to the treasury secretary geithner it go and others. instead, president obama is utahing this critical week to meet with the ceos from small and big business and middle class taxpayers before boarding air force one on friday for campaign style rally in the philadelphia area. >> rather than sitting down with lawmakers of both parties an working out an agreement, he is back on the campaign trail. we are not going to this problem creating villains and drumming up outrage. >> he will be out trying to i'm sure
with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is out front. and julian assange is out front to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "out front." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad ti tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present, the dow gained more than a full percent throughout the day. will we have a true christmas miracle? courtesy of those two. oh, let's hope that they don't wear those hats. i spoke this evening with republic
had. it is where they were before the election. they gotta wake up and see the election, change things and they actually have to meet democrats somewhere in the middle. >> bill: i would hope. i would hope. new york times this morning, front page of the business section in terms of closing loopholes, romney was never specific about which one. new york times is saying that they know -- now we know one of the ones they're targeting. the headline is a tax break once sacred is now seen as vulnerable. what they're talking about is the mortgage interest deduction. there was no doubt it is on the table. it is one they're targeting rather than raise tax rates on the wealthy, they're going to either limit or get rid of the mortgage interest deduction. which is the most popular one. >> the most popular one. politically difficult i think. that's really the problem with romney's entire approach that said we'll just create revenue by closing loopholes. you go down the list of the largest loopholes and pretty quickly, you get to
. and that is to build some public support tap on the good feeling from his re-election to give -- as ryan pointed out. there's some democrats including powerful ones like harry reid that say medicare and medicaid have to be off the table. those democrats do not include president obama who has made it clear he's open to a discussion about medicare and medicaid. and you usually would think there's not enough time to do serious entitlement reform. but the fact is, we've been talking about this set of issues for a year and more, lots of blueprints out there, including simpson/bowles. i think it is possible that will be part of a deal that is reached before the end of the year. >> this morning, dick durbin didn't really want to get into specifics. you aren't hearing a lot of numbers from a lot of people, but did say he was encouraged. take a listen. >> if i sound bland and general at this point, it's exactly to the point he made. when the doors close and we sit down with revenue on one side, entitlements on the other, then we get specific and come up with a bipartisan plan. >> ryan, to susan's point of wh
. let me give you the phone numbers again. how did you vote in the last election? did you vote with the intention of one-party rule in your state legislature? what are your priorities, if so? let me read this -- on a federal level, folks believe a divided government has republicans in control of the house and democrats in control of the senate and president obama reelected to a second term in the white house. on a federal level, people believed compromise is possible. not so, says the new york times, on the state level. what are your thoughts on this? we also posted the question on our facebook page. we have a couple comments -- you can post your comments as well on facebook if you want to participate that way, or send us an e-mail or a tweet. this is inside the new york times and they have a chart showing the outcomes of the 2012 elections -- that's how it breaks down. norma is a democrat in st. petersburg, florida. what is your state legislature like and what are your priorities? caller: i voted democratic. i believe that obama offered than did the republican party. the candi
. president obama's re-election means the taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the republicans are in a shocking amount of disarray right now. the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what mitt romney and paul ryan were campaigning on and sort of by default it has become their opening negotiation position. >> i see. so their opening position is the one that wa
for the president or could a fiscal cliff deal on top of re-election get him any political capital to flex some political muscle? >> well, i hope it was the latter. i was at the white house when the republicans took down clinton's nominee. i watched as they took down senator tower who was to become the republican secretary of defense. both parties do this unfortunately after an election. the losing party almost seeming to want some sort of sacrificial lam out there. i hope this, that what this nation most wants is to have trust once again in washington, d.c. it's a part of the program down in washington that doesn't seem to be there. while i have great respect for senator mccain who threatened to filly buster this. i couldn't have done what he did as a prisoner of war. as a fellow naval officer. i would ask him accountability for the overall public good not the party. i hope that unless he can show with firmness that there is a fact, there is some sort of issue out there that really isn't a political assertion, a partisan issue, that he is an american before he is a partisan. let's move on. ame
a democratically elected autocrat take the place of an undemocratically elected dictator. on the other hand, there are some real pluses possible here. if egypt takes some real responsibility for making the cease-fire work, we'll stop those missiles from going through the tunnels in gaza, and they seem to be moving in that direction. that can make a real difference in terms of what's going on in gaza and their attacks on israel, which have been the cause of the whole thing. >> what would you like to see the president say, to put a brake on morsi seizing power? what words does the president have to use to say we're not going back to mubarak? >> he has to express those concerns and say, obviously, we want this change to not just be democratic but also supportive of stability and also protecting minorities and human rights in egypt. he says that, but at the same time he has to point out that behind all of this is iran. iran's support of hamas, hezbollah, syria, and the way that has been filtered into weaponry that goes through egypt, into gaza, if that can be stopped, by egypt, and if iran can
will about the election we just had. this one's hotter, nastier, more personal. one side says it's about character, about whether a close confederate of the president told the truth, the whole truth as she knew it when she went on national television and said the death of a u.s. ambassador was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-muslim video, some trouble-making clown made out in california. ignoring john mccain and his ail argue evidence it was an organized act of terrorism. not so says the president. his u.n. ambassador and close friend simply told the truth as she was permitted to tell it, what the cia gave her to say and no more. for that he charges susan rice, in the words of the new york post, being fried. political fight fans on the tabloids relish this extreme combat what should be a good person's judgment? that's my question tonight. is susan rice now a surrogate for the president, someone to take the punishment when others above her pay grade should be answering the questions, or is she accountable for going on national television knowing she can't tell the whole truth because it
congress so, while the election may have changed the atmosphere and sort of the story line for the members, the actual people themselves are still there. so they've not changed their ideologies at all. i think that the problem is that you have john boehner, president and mitch mcconnell negotiating with the exact same congress that they had when they couldn't make a deal the last time. so i think until the personnel change, i'm not sure you can get a deal. >> and juan kessler, the fact checker for "the washington post," has reported that, you know, you have to come from, like, some point point. you have to have a negotiating point to start with. he said democrats and republicans haven't even agreed on a baseline yet. they're about $3 trillion apart because of ending the wars, medicare, other cuts. so how do you come to some agreement in what is a numbers game really if you don't even have a number to start with? >> i think one of the things we'll see happen here is the idea of a grand bargain, of one deal that gets all this stuff averted between now and -- it's not going to happen. it does
approach on the fiscal cliff, saying the elect is over. it's time to stop campaigning and start talk. some republicans are telling the president, show us your hand. martha: not over the cliff yet but perhaps headed there. good morning. i'm martha maccallum. the minority leader mitch mcconnell called the president out for what he says is a campaign-style blitz instead of negotiations between both sides. >> rather than sitting down with lawmakers and working out an agreement he's back on the campaign trail. we are not going to solve this problem by creating villians and drumming up outrage. >> he will be out trying to i'm sure zero in on those states represented by members of the house and the senate to try to get public support. bill: democrats upping the ante, looking to raise taxes, protect entitlements and raise the debt ceiling all at the same time. stuart varney, hello, there, sir. you think there has been a shift in those negotiations. >> i don't mean a shift in position. i mean a shift in focus, what they are focusing in on on the last couple days it's been taxes now it seems to be w
the president is fond of susan rice. you saw that in the press conference after the election. he really forcefully defended her. you saw more passionate people had been waiting for from the president. if there's a time to push someone, the president believes is the best personed to the job, it's after you win the election in a pretty strong way. so the president, i think, if he wants to push her, now is the team to do it. it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmurch her reputation is outrageous. when they gt after the u.n. ambassador apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a prob
stayed with them as a colleague during the civil war and after grant was elected president initially appointed washburn secretary of state and washburn became very ill, after ten days he submitted his resignation to president grant show grant regretfully had his resignation and he regained his health which was always very fragile and grant the then offered him the position as minister of france, ambassador of france. >> michael hill on washburn, minister to france in the 1870 franco prussian war, and the only power of the state providing political and humanitarian support. q&a sunday night at 8:00 on c-span. >> now a discussion on entrepreneurship, immigration reform and innovation. economist douglas holtz-eakin and aol co-founder steve case, at the aspen institute for 30 minutes. >> next we have a panel on america and where it is going, steve clemens -- steve clemons is the empress area of washington ideas. >> hey, folks. everybody is running to the thompson reuters counter. thank you for joining us. great to be with you. i am steve -- steve clemons, editor of large of the atlantic,
. >> the election's over. he won. congratulations. >> if we can get a few house republicans to agree as well -- >> we all agree but we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should take them out of this discussion. >> i've got a pen. i'm ready to sign it. >> he's got the republicans on the ropes and they know it. >> obama's answer to this budget crisis is to raise taxes on the wealthy just because he ran on that promise. and won the election. >> the president really wants to reach an agreement, he needs to be talking with the members of his own party right here in washington. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. we really need to get this right. ♪ how do you like me now ♪ ♪ how do you like me now ♪ >> good afternoon, it is difficult to hold down the excitement here in new york. it is a growing frenzy that everyone's talking about. there are fantasies of celebration, if the numbers go their way. there are teams pooling resources. there's talk of high stakes and long odds. no, it's not the powerball lottery. it's the fiscal cliff. just
're really going to draw the line and say, we're not going to reopen that debate. we won the election, so sorry, john. that said, there are specific programs in there that might be part of the spending negotiations that take place. >> you know, kristen, politically speaking, doesn't this add another wrinkle to an already difficult negotiation process ahead? >> i think it absolutely does. i think to some extent speaker boehner might be sending a message to republicans in his conference, making the point that, look, just because the president won the election we're not going to roll over on all of the issues that we care about. it's hard to see he has a whole lot of leverage on this issue. you heard speaker boehner tone down his rhetoric after the supreme court ruled it was in fact constitutional. and now president obama has won reelection. the president, the white house, democrats on the hill are saying this issue is a nonstarter. it's hard to see where he finds leverage on this issue. unless he tries to go for some of the smaller issues like medicaid spending. but i think this is going to
weeks ago when john boehner after the election essentially said, there's nothing we can do about obama care. it's going into effect next year. people are going to have to start enrolling, those exchanges are going to have to get up and running. he saw a revolt among his house republicans and republicans across the united states, just for saying it. now john boehner is doing a little backtracking. he wrote in the cincinnati enquirer, his hometown newspaper, the president's health care law adds a massive, expensive, unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. we can't afford it and we can't afford to leave it intact. so try as they might, remember the last congress republicans passed a lot of bills out of the house of representatives that tore apart obama care. as even the president calls it now. they didn't go anywhere in the senate and meanwhile, alex, after the thanksgiving break, the principles are expected to get back together to begin negotiating in earnest. as you're right the clock is ticking. just a lit
the election, what's next for immigration reform? ray suarez asks texas senator kay bailey hutchison and illinois representative luis gutierrez. >> warner: and on the "daily download," we look at how the obama administration is re-using digital information gathered for the campaign to rally support now. >> brown: that's all ahead on tonight's "newshour." major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful sig
to hear because it seems that before the election there was actually some uniform opinion this absolutely was going to get done by the end of the year. what changed? >> well, it's so easy to say in general we're going to work this out, talk, and have the nice photo-ops, but when it comes down to dollars and cents it's the same old argument that democrats want to see some kind of an extension of tax cults for those making less than $250,000 a year but not for the wealthy. and the republicans still want to see some proposed cut, some kind of numbers on how they're going to reduce entitlements, especially medicare spending. so we're not close to actually having those kind of talks yet. what we have right now is a pr phase, a public relations phase, where both sides are trying to work the business community or work main street behind their side of the argument. >> and it does seem that we have a split not just about what needs to get done or how we get to this deal, dana, but about the urgency of what would happen if we didn't come to a deal. the white house put out that 14-page report on mon
is elected. despite the protests, morsi moving ahead with his plans at the same time insisting that his new powers are for the good ofu issued a statement moments ago saying in part, quote, we call for calm and encourage all parties to work together and call for all egyptians to resolve their differences over these important issues peacefully and through democratic dialogue. jim maceda will join us coming up in 20 minutes right here. >>> turning from egypt now to the border between israel and gaza where a two-day cease fire is already being tested. israeli troops shot and killed a 20-year-old man on the gaza side of the line today. the first death since the truce. nbc news reporting that the man was trying to get to his family farm. we have coverage from both sides of the border today with nbc's gaza. fletcher in israel and what's the israeli government saying about what happened at the border today, if anything? >> reporter: well, they are talking but not much. they are saying that the troops were stationed at the border about 300 palestinians came towards the border fence, further than is
they have a mandate from the election. that is the issue we said is going to be the linchpin for the last three months. it continues to be there. there is no movement on that. and until there's movement on how to come up with that type of revenue, 250 and above, we're going to keep having the same conversation about ongoing negotiations, talking points from both sides. >> luke russert getting down to the nitty-gritty. stephanie, let's get down to the markets. they put our chances of going over the cliff at about 5%. so why is the market freaking out? >> you know the market always wants to be a bull but it doesn't matter what side of the aisle to sit on you. have to agree we're not working with an efficient government right now and we haven't in a very, very long time. and the market, if you remember, the day after the election dropped 300 points. that was the dow. fearing the fiscal cliff approaching. since then it's been very quiet out of washington. we hear a push here arc nudge there, but nothing sizeable is happening. what does the market do, they put their pencils down. we're seeing
what's here is a cover-up that barack obama right before the election wanted to cover up -- well something. i don't know what they're trying to cover up. but he didn't want it to be an act of terror. if he had said this is an act of terrorism, probably would go shooting up in the polls at the time. so there's no sense -- >> he did say it was -- >> there's no point, no sense to their charge of a cover-up. but saying that the state department security office screwed up, doesn't get you at the white house, doesn't get the president or susan rice or anybody else of a high position in the line of fire. which is what they want. so this is again and again they're trying to suggest that something is wrong, said what the cia told her and it is i think as richard said, kind of an immature exercise and the common ritual you go up to capitol hill after weeks of this and they come out and say we kind of sorted this out, still have other questions, but their appearance, if they don't back up their troubles, the fact that they're troubled by this with some details, it just shows you they're not
coverage. a private meeting between the two of them. i think it's designed to say the election is over, mitt romney did win about 47.5% of the vote of the american public, a recognition of that fact and recognition by the president if there is a grand bargain to be done he's going to need the help of republicans. i don't know how much mitt romney will play a role in that. i think mitt romney this is the guy i beat, he represents a significant constituency that voted against me, we're going to bring him in and talk to him. i don't expect much substantive to come to it. symbolism, saying the election is over and move on and work for the country. >> it is symbolic. we've seen this drama before, but in the past it's been with a republican nominee who frankly carries more political weight within his own party and held a constituency there. in this case he's not elected to anything, not a sitting senator, a defeated presidential candidate but someone who still plays a role in politics. this is about sending a signal of niceness and appealing to higher angels we as a country can move on. >> m
before when the early voting numbers look good for us. >> you thought it long before the election. i know that. [laughter] >> but i was pretty sure -- >> how long? could he have one after the first debate or where the forces in motion? >> sure, absolutely he could have one. -- won. it was competitive the entire way. i think governor romney could have one up until the end. i always believe in the fundamental truth, we were building the best grass roots campaign in modern political history. we had the best candidate and the best message. >> in a way, the story of this election is the degree to which replicated the 2008 results. many people thought that 2008 was a once-in-a-lifetime result. you came very close to replicating it. i think the most fascinating statistic is african-americans in ohio, 11% of the electorate, 15% this time. you found 200,000 more african- american voters who turned out for you. mitt romney lost the state by 103,000. that was the election, right there. finding those extra african american voters. >> let me back up. we won this election because of barack obama. peopl
. that is what they are elected for. i just do not think the states would benefit from having grand elections, more spending, more commercials and when the money needs to go directly to the people. we also need to be wary of cutting spending on the platform, cuts in programs of obama's platform. host: do you think the states should use their line of communication of congress or the white house? caller: i think we need to trust the congress and believe that we have elected them to do the state's business and trust them to do it. host: let's go to mike. caller: i think the states already have several budgets to their elected officials. if the governor wants to have a say on the budget, get a hold of their elected officials, their congressman, bring them to the governor's office and laid the lot down to them on what the what the congressman to go back and portray in washington. host: let's hear what marie has to say on the independent line. caller: i think only the blue states should have a say because the blue states contribute overwhelmingly more money to the federal government. the red states
. after the election, the speaker did say increased revenues were acceptable if coupled with entitlement reform. but will it be supported in the house? that's where grover is seen as more of a legend than a lobbyist. some are signaling the tax debate does not start and end with this old pledge. eric cantor, who was adamant last time about opposing any revenue increase hit that note on msnbc just this morning. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge, it really is about trying to solve problems. john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said republicans in the house were willing to put revenues on the table. that was a big move. >> by the standards of republican politics, ben, that was a big move. and eric cantor is doing something pretty important there. i just want to say before we go into all of the nitty-gritty details, tell us about what it means for eric cantor to basically reposition this conversation away from grover norquist, who as i said is something
norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> sounds great, doesn't it? only one problem, this apparent kiss-off to the anti-tax guru appears to be pure lip service. as mr. norquist himself expressed this morning in somewhat colorful language. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> yet, so far those impure thoughts have not crossed into taboo te
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